#90: What Your Body Is Telling You with Chronic Pain Specialist Laura Koratsis
Have you ever wondered what your body is telling you? It’s speaking to you all the time whether you realize it or not. I sat down with chronic pain specialist, Laura Koratsis, to learn more about how our bodies speak to us. Laura takes me through her ESP2 Method, where she evaluates Eating, Sleeping, Pooping, Emotional, Spiritual and Physical health before working on any client.
It’s a great conversation that sheds light on the different areas of life that impact our bodies. Laura has seen it all, including getting messages from the deceased (Post Material People as she calls them) as she works on clients. Tune in to learn more about Laura’s process and how you can better understand what your body is telling you.
You're in for a treat today, and what we're going to do is actually talk about Laura's process of working with people, and she's going to test it on me. This is where it's going to be fun and interesting.
I hope that this episode helps you awaken to more of what your body is telling you, to get curious about what it might be saying, to see where that can lead you in your own life, and to find more alignment in your life. It's an invitation to explore that and I hope you take me up on that invitation.
[Laura] In the initial intake session, usually I block out a couple of hours because I do go through a lot of oral history with people, I kind of have to I cast my line and see what I catch and then, so that can take an hour to an hour and a half sometimes, and then I'll usually do a little physical assessment on my treatment table, just sort of connecting in with their feeling.
I always say to people, when we're doing the oral intake, this is when you get to say what you think, and then when you get on the table, that's your body's chance to say what's really going on. And sometimes they match up and sometimes they don't, so it's bridging that gap.
I do something which came kind of developed over time. I call it ESP squared, and that stands for eating, sleeping, pooping, emotional, spiritual, physical, recognizing that spiritual can also be spiritual slash religious, because some people identify more with a religious denomination than they do spirituality, necessarily.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Eating
In your own words, Mary, please explain and describe your relationship with food, past, present and perhaps future, like what your goals are.
[Mary] Generally, I love food. I enjoy food. I was a vegetarian at one point for quite a few years, and then stopped being a vegetarian. And actually, I kind of go back and forth on that. More recently, I've gone back and forth on it again. I have a sweet tooth. I do love sugar, so that's something I'm mindful of sometimes. I do live in France, and they have beautiful desserts. When I first moved here, I said sometimes that I was eating my feelings through the bakery. I would go all the time because the transition to moving there was challenging.
I love food, and I also feel pretty reasonable with food. I've shifted over time, and actually living in France, I do think it's changed for me, because things are so seasonal here. You go to the market a lot more. It's a totally different way of living, even with food.
[Laura] Are there certain foods that you either avoid, are allergic to have some sort of a barrier to?
[Mary] Certain fruits, and not all the time, but some cherries and apples. But otherwise, no. No nut allergies or dairy or anything like that. Things that I stay away from. I will say, in France, they eat a lot of unique meats, and I typically don't. I generally stay away from peppers. I don't really like them.
[Laura] Good, wow, lot of self awareness around food that's amazing.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Sleeping
We'll move right into sleeping. So specifically, on average, how many hours of sleep a night do you think you're getting?
[Mary] I am someone that needs a lot of sleep. I try to go to bed around 10:30. My ideal is like if I'm already getting ready for bed between 9:30 and 10 and I can be really in bed for 10:30 lately, it's been more between 10:30 and 11. But I know for me that if I'm in bed between 10 and 10:30 the next morning is much easier for me, especially if it's a morning where my daughter has her bus earlier. In France for middle school, they don't start the same time every day, so certain days of the week, she has the bus at 7:30 and other day is 8:30 and finishes at different times. It's very strange. Still not over it. We're a couple months in, but it's okay. I'd say then I usually try to go to bed around 10:30 and then I could get up around 7.
[Laura] Are you falling asleep straight away when you get into bed. Or does do you do have a little ritual or a nighttime routine?
[Mary] Usually, if I prepare for bed earlier, then I'll usually read in bed. I like to read in bed. I try not to be on the phone. I do toe tapping every night. I don't know if this is going to come up in another one of the questions, but I found out I was grinding my teeth. So toe tapping is something that's supposed to generally help with mind chatter by shifting the energy in your body. I usually do toe tapping every night, and sometimes I'll do body tapping before that. Also other energy type of work, and sometimes listen to calming music. Things that are supportive at bedtime.
I'd say at least seven to eight hours of sleep a night. If I get only six, I'm a disaster and I'll have to take a nap.
[Laura] Okay, you good Napper, so you feel refreshed if you get six or more hours, otherwise, you feel unrefreshed when you wake up.
When you are kind of snuggling in and getting comfortable in your favorite position to fall asleep in, what does that look like?
[Mary] Usually I first lay on my back. I'll reflect on the day. I'm kind of like settling into myself and maybe just saying a little bit of gratitude for the day. I'm always on my back when I do that. I close my eyes, and kind of like a little bit of like a meditative state. And then I'll usually at some point go on one side or the other side.
[Laura] What about the position that you wake up in? Are you aware of what position you wake in in the morning?
[Mary] I would say, I would say I'm either on my side or on my stomach.
[Laura] And when you are and when you are on your right side falling asleep. Do you have a your left leg bent? And is it supported with pillows, or is it just sort of stacked on top?
[Mary] I don't use pillows. I did during pregnancy, though, and I found them very helpful. Both my legs are probably bent at least a little bit. When I'm on my back, usually my right leg is bent and my left leg is a little more straight, almost like, maybe close to a figure four sometimes. Okay.
[Laura] And what about dream recall? Do you have dream recall?
[Mary] I do, yeah, frequently enough that I keep it in a book. I sometimes I have very vivid dreams that feel more like lucid dreaming. The place they usually start is with my dreams, and I think it's just because that's where I'm more most open.
[Laura] When we fall asleep, that is the time for our subconscious mind to kind of come to the surface and play. Dreams are almost always, just my opinion, the subconscious mind trying to work some things out for you that you may not be working out in your waking hours. It’s always important to pay attention to them if you can remember them. If you don't seem to have dream recall that’s okay. Your body and your mind are still working that out for you, for your ego self. If you do have any kind of recall about anything, just try to spend some time leaning into it in those moments when we're first waking. Try to recall, before you get on with your day, any little details, sketching them down, even if it's just a word or a color or a person. There are always clues along the way, and that will lead to actually more dreaming. Where you know that you're dreaming, and then you can get into this whole idea of controlling your dreams, so to speak, because you're communicating with your subconscious mind, which is a beautiful thing. That happens during meditation, in an altered state of any kind. That happens so we don't always have to remember it, but it's definitely happening. If you're sleeping and getting REM sleep, you're having dreams, your subconscious mind is working. Just don't always remember it, and that's okay.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Pooping
We're going to move on to a much more personal subject, which is pooping. What I'm always looking for here is, do you poop every day? Is it the same time every day? Is it essentially the same consistency, and when it's off do you know? Can you attribute something, something you ate, or traveling, or something to it being off?
[Mary] I feel pretty I feel consistent, pretty much daily around same time like and I have, I like to have the same breakfast every morning. Their meals can change, but I usually have kiwi and banana and a little bit of cereal and a little bit of peanut butter mixed together, like dry cereal, no milk, um, and so I have, so that's also consistent for, like, my breakfast. And I would say, Yeah, generally, if I do have a stomach ache or any kind of issues, it's, it doesn't happen often and, and I can tell it's usually because of, like, okay, it was clearly that that I ate, I either don't usually eat that, or something about it was wrong. Or, like, sometimes, like, a red sauce can bother my stomach, right? But perfect. Otherwise, like,
[Laura] Do have you had issues in the past with either constipation or loose movements?
[Mary] No, I would say probably just during pregnancy.
[Laura] Okay a little more constipated during pregnancy. The reason here's why I always love why I include this question and you answered it beautifully. You get a gold star. Good job. Keep working on that. I love that you're aware when something changes and if it goes on for more than a couple of days, you’re aware. You can start to pay attention to that.
The reason that I asked this question is because people who lean toward constipation are oftentimes, in my experience with them, people who also hold on to emotional trauma, emotional wounds, specifically something that happens in their waking, in their day to day life, where they've been talked to a certain way or and so they'll take that in, and they won't really process that emotion, but they'll hold on to it. That can lead to holding on to those ideas and thoughts, quite literally holding on to your poo.
People that have a tendency to have more loose movements are people that will take in that information, but they'll process it through really quickly, because they don't want to inconvenience the person that has hurt them by, you know, holding on to it or drudging it up. And so they'll process it quickly and get rid of it. But the body doesn't really have a chance to, you know, respond to that so it it's eliminating that quickly.
I'll often find the same types of either a binding in the descending and sigmoid colon, for people that are holding on to their bitterness, or I'll find inflammation there because they're processing it too quickly. So even though they're opposite things that happen with the physical body, it's really comes down to how we take in information, how we process it, how we whether we're reactive or whether we respond. The poop is always a good indication.
If you're someone who has struggled with constipation, you might want to think about what you do with criticism from people that you consider loved ones or friends, or what you do with kind of this feeling of inadequacy, where you're not really feeling confident in yourself, whether you're you have imposter syndrome, like that's a good thing to look at.
If you're somebody that has loose stools a lot, or have been diagnosed with IBS, you might want to think about how you're maybe letting some things go that you shouldn't let go that really need to be addressed. One of the phrases here is, oh, that's just how that person is. You’re doing them a disservice by not bringing up to them. I understand that you have the right to, you know, say what you want and act how you want, but this is how that impacts me, and it doesn't feel nice to me. Standing up for yourself, not just pushing it through, because that's just how that person is, because that's doing harm in your physical body. So that's why I asked that question. That's so
[Mary] You asked about food earlier too. Would you say that food, digestion and pooping are all connected to those things that you just explained?
[Laura] Yes, absolutely. Sometimes this might happen, I eat cheese, I might be really gassy the next day or something that's recognizing that every that, then you're more mindful when you do eat like, oh, this cheese looks amazing. I really want this cheese. I recognize that tomorrow I might feel and so if I'm going to be in on a long car trip with a bunch of friends. Or something. Maybe I don't want to eat that cheese tonight kind of thing.
It's just making that connection. If your body is responding in negatively by having loose movements, those are the two main things to consider.
What are you eating that is causing inflammation?
What are you processing through?
If it's chronic and you've been diagnosed with IBS, then then this is both an emotional and a physical component, and you need to address both. It’s the same with constipation. If you aren't pooping every day, which is normal to poop every day, some people go every other day. I don't know if that's normal. If they're not having an issue with it, then leave it. But if it's bothersome to you, or you're uncomfortable, then you want to think again about food and also how you process, not just how you process food, but how you process information coming in and how your ego processes it.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Emotional
Normally, someone will fill out an intake form, and on the intake form there's a body graph that people can mark spots on their body where they have discomfort. Then as I'm going through these the first three parts of this intake I'll see if any of those might be why they have pain. If they're having a lot of low back pain, for example, and we get to that poop question and they talk about constipation, then we can recognize where that might be impacting the low back all that pressure.
We didn't really talk about anything physical that might be going on with you. I do like to always ask, and then I like to see how that relates to the emotional portion of this.
Do you have anything specific that bothers you regularly, painful that you want to share?
[Mary] It's not super regular now, and I've done a lot of work on it in a different way, in a few different ways, but my left leg is one of those things, because it's quite a few years now, probably like almost 20 years, where it's like off and on. I've had it checked, and I've done ultrasounds and that kind of stuff. They watched it during pregnancy, because I did swell more during pregnancy, okay, but I went, actually, a couple months ago, to an osteopath here. Osteopaths are pretty common in France.
The osteopath that I went to see uses many healing modalities, and she talked to me about my relationship with the feminine and how by holding on to the emotions of things and how that might be impacting my left leg. It's actually improved, because I now when I go on walks, I do try to do things to circulate, and I wear compression socks if I'm going to be either sitting for a long time or whenever I fly for sure. I talked to it and did this whole thing of telling my leg that it doesn’t need to hold on to these emotions so that I don’t store this in my body.
Body tapping has also helped me with that, because I'm shifting and realigning my energy. I'm just starting to learn so much more about the energy body than I did before, but I can tell it has a big impact. So that's why I'm adamant to try to do it.
I would say short answer is my left leg, and, like, left foot and moving up my leg a little bit, and sometimes my lower back. But I do actually work sometimes with a woman that does brain, body stuff. She's the one that I learned the toe tapping from, Master Ann. She's amazing.
[Laura] Just talking about the left leg, that would be the first thing I would go to. I would be making that connection to the left side of the body being feminine energy. And if this is going back 20 plus years, I would often ask people, what was going on in your life 20 years ago? Anything significant, anything upsetting or disrupting around that time? Sometimes people remember, sometimes they don't, until they get on the table. But making that connection because it's a stored there's there could have it could have been an injury where there's stored physical trauma which then becomes, then has an emotional component to it, or it could be an emotional trauma that then becomes a physical thing, and eventually, after any time.
I say right around five weeks, whether it's an emotional upset or a physical trauma that's happened once you get past that five week mark and you carry on with that discomfort, it's now chronic, and so it almost always has both components, both emotional and physical, for various reasons, which we won't get into all of that. So for you, I would say going back 20 plus years or so to when this started, any emotional upsets or physical injury to that left foot and leg that you remember?
[Mary] I remember the first time that I felt that it got swollen was I was on a trip to Italy during college. We were in Florence at the time, and we climbed up like the Duomo with lots and lots of steps. I really wasn't prepared, so I was in flip flops, and so I thought that climbing all those small, dark steps was not super supportive for my feet.
I actually spoke with the Osteopath about some of this, but super interesting to speak about it to you too. My osteopath is French so sometimes things probably get lost in translation. The other big thing, there was an emotional component before that, on that trip, when I first arrived in Italy. I won this competition through a program at my University so I went on the trip with all these other people from different schools. This trip was pre cell phones and everything. I arrived in Italy and the woman that was supposed to meet me didn't make her connecting flight. So I arrived in Italy all by myself, and the driver was nowhere to be found. I was looking for a sign with my name, and he was not there. I basically arrived in Italy all by myself. I was around 20 years old at the time. I had been to Greece before, but with family so this was my first solo trip overseas. I was there by myself. I don't speak Italian and the airport personnel would not help me. I used a calling card and called my parents crying because I was like, I'm here by myself. What do I do? I basically kept walking around the airport waiting for the next set of flights that maybe the other people from the group were coming on. This is getting very long winded, but I'm just sharing there was this emotional component, absolutely change, actually, which I talk about change all the time. This thing happened within a few days of me climbing in the tower in my flip flops. So I logically thought it was climbing with the flip flops, but apparently it could also be this.
[Laura] Yes and very specifically, a woman let you down. Oh, you felt, you felt sort of abandoned by a woman. Female energy. And as you're walking around the airport, maybe you're having feelings like, how could you do this to me? Or now, what am I going to do? Maybe you're not really consciously thinking that, but you're but somewhere in the in the subconscious mind, there's that feeling of being let down by this woman who has now caused all of this. Now you're walking around the airport, and you're freaking out a little bit, and then you go and do this climb in flip flops.
It was like a recipe for this sort of energetic cyst or an emotional cyst to form in that left foot. So it could be as simple as whoever that woman was. I don't know if you ever did get to meet her.
[Mary] She arrived later that day yes.
[Laura] It was not her fault that the flights got messed up, but now this impact has already landed on you. You might not you just so relieved she's finally there. You might not even have recognized that you actually needed to forgive her for being late, even if it wasn't intentional or her fault. You needed to find forgiveness for that. So that could be something that you spend a little time meditating on while holding the left foot and loving it and telling it you're sorry, because it's not your foot's fault and you're not actually suffering. Your foot is suffering, right? So that could be really helpful in reducing some of that swelling, because one of the main components of inflammation is inflamed thinking.
Whether we recognize it or not, there may be feelings of lingering resentment or even sometimes hostility for some people, for that member of society, the feminine energy, members of society as a whole, right? So feeling super sensitive if a friend ever just cancels last minute, or you just don't trust new women that you meet, and you really have to get to know them, or you might be super trusting, and so your body is rejecting that, because while this energy cyst down here says we're not supposed to trust them, but she's not listening, so we're going to inflame this area to try to get her attention. So it can get really messy in there.
[Mary] That's a fascinating, okay, invitation accepted. I'm going to explore that. That's fascinating, thank you.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Spiritual
[Laura] One of the other parts of ESP squared, is spiritual. This is the part where I would ask someone what their spiritual / religious beliefs are in their own words. Even though I feel like we're all sort of in the know about your spiritual / religious beliefs, you could share, if you want. You could share a little blurb about what that means to you.
[Mary] I've definitely gotten more spiritual over time, and I do weave that into the podcast in a way, not super intentionally, but it's probably just also with how I think and how I speak, and it's kind of there. I had this realization that I want to support more people on their spiritual journey, or awakening or consciousness, whatever that means to them. I believe that each one of us has to do this work. The work on ourselves to be able to show up in love and heal and be as whole as possible. If we're going to continue on this planet, we need more people working from that vibration.
I haven't said all of that on this podcast before, and I've probably been hesitant about sharing it out in the open too much, so it's a great question, and I'm glad we're doing this. I've always believed in spiritual experiences, and I've had some myself. My dad has had many experiences in his life that he has always openly shared. I'd say I probably have been more willing and understanding and accepting that, yes, these other kinds of things exist than the average person that didn't have access to those kinds of stories and experiences.
That's where my spirituality leans. I would say that's the direction I'm moving, and I'm learning on my journey to be more comfortable expressing that and just kind of showing up in that way. And if you like it, great welcome. If you don't, okay, I'm not for you. And just settling into that more and more.
[Laura] I call that all encompassing. There’s no right or wrong way to have a relationship with either spirituality or religion, and it doesn't need to impact how someone next to you believes. Doesn't need to impact your belief system. I call it divine source. It so, and that could be, that's God, that's soul energy. It's the like the teachings of Buddhism, or the Tao Te Ching, or it’s the Creator, all of that.
It all really comes down to just this feeling of connectivity from person to person when you meet someone on the street, if they're so I always give this example of people walking their dogs down the street, and the dog would represent our ego out in the world. So when we're walking with our dog, the dog should be with us in a healed position. We shouldn't be letting it, you know, lead us where they're walking together. If you let that ego lead, then the first thing that people are going to encounter is your ego, and if they are also letting their ego lead, then your egos are what meet first. Sometimes your dog doesn't like their dog, and vice versa, but that doesn't so we pull the dogs back, we pull the ego back and we recognize that that's a spiritual being in front of us. They aren't their ego. Who they feel they are on the inside is not always how they express because they let their ego lead. I am guilty of doing, this multiple times throughout my life. But the way that we can recognize that we're leading with ego is when we meet somebody and we just get that feeling like, Oh, something about that person is just off. That's a way to recognize, oh, that's my ego looking at their ego. So I'm going to, with my ego in check, try to look beyond their, growling, snarling, dog and see the essence of who they are, which is the same fabric that we are.
We are all just this teeny, tiny, little representation of the universe as a whole, and the fascia of the body, that very abundant connective tissue that, you know, holds us together. It's the glue that binds us together. To me, that is the fabric of the universe as well. That's how communication in our body happens. And you know, might be a whole other podcast talking about that, but the but fascia is just such a conductor of information.
Before we even take a step, just based on what muscles you have activated, the fascia knows that you're about to take a step, and it's already sending that information to the brain at the speed of sound. The fascia can't be ignored. It’s the information highway in our body, and it has more nerve receptors than muscle, which it doesn't always get credit for that, but we're still learning. We're still learning what fascia is all about. To me, that's the fabric of the universe.
That's how we can think about someone and have them text us or call us, you know, right in that moment. It's that, that connectivity, and the more we talk about it, and the more we flex that muscle so to speak out in the world and bring awareness, like you're doing with your podcast, the more people, the more receptive people are to that communication style and not questioning so much. Like seeing the person's energy instead of their actions, because actions are often very different. You know, we're expressing anger, but that could just mean sorrow or loneliness or whatever. The more we know, the better.
What Your Body Is Telling You – Physical
[Mary] Can you explain what the fascia is?
[Laura] I think it's harder to conceive of than to explain. So we would finish this part of our intake, and then you would get on the table. And I almost always is, well, I always with the intake session, we'll start with cervical tractioning, which means you're laying face up on the table, and I'm, I'm behind you at your head, and I reach under your neck, and just do this nice, gentle tractioning, where I can kind of feel the fascial lines, and that's something that has just gotten easier for me to do over time. I can feel where there's restrictions.
Fascia is the most abundant tissue in the body. If we were to remove all the bones from your body, we would still recognize you as Mary because of fascia. It literally touches everything. There isn't a single part of your body that isn't does not have a facial relationship. For example, the swelling in your foot, if there's fascia restriction there, around the blood vessels, around the tendons, which are actually really dense fascia too. Tendons and ligaments are just really dense, made of the same thing. Call it basically collagen and water. It's like an enclosed, pressurized system. If you have excess fluid there, it's almost always one of the physical components of that is restricted fascia somewhere.
If I were to put you on the table now, I would probably immediately feel the restriction in that left ankle, and I would even be able to kind of trace that up to that to the fascia origin. One of the ways that I learned, one of the ways that I learned about more detailed about fascia, was through the Anatomy Trains. And that's something anybody can go check out the website. Tom Myers, is responsible for these charts that you're seeing behind me. There are seven different facial lines, which I recently thought how interesting, because there's seven moon phases. There are seven chakra centers in main chakra centers in the body, and seven fascia lines like putting something together there.
I have just found that connecting with the fascia, I kind of see it as this seat of the soul, like that's where the essence of who we are, that spiritual person you meet, the spiritual energy that you feel on the street, resides in the fascia. Not only can I feel where it might be restricted, I can also feel what kind of emotional component might be there.
And then when I put my hands on your body, I need to kind of wash that all away and try to put that out of my mind and just give the body the opportunity to communicate with me. I'll invite the inner physician in and feel into those facial lines. There's a couple of different ways to get there, and then let your body take me where it feels. Wherever I feel drawn to, I'll go and work there and oftentimes, find something.
I had a gentleman, a new person, that came in, and we did the whole intake and everything. It was detailed. There was a lot he got on the table. I did the cervical tractioning was feeling into his fascial lines, and I was drawn to his abdomen, kind of the upper left quadrant of his stomach. And so I moved there immediately and put my hands there, and I said to him out loud, I'm just being really drawn to this area, for some reason is and then I was feeling it, and I could feel there was some scar tissue there. I was working through his clothing, and I said, I feel like there's a little scar tissue there. And he goes, Oh, well, I did get stabbed there. That never came up in the oral intake. That's a perfect example of how you can spew all this oral stuff to me, but your body will give you away. If you're forgetting something, it will eventually come out. And there are layers to that. Sometimes, for this gentleman that was, he said oh yeah I got stabbed. I was like, okay, so all of these things that you came in for, we have to deal with this first, because that's the first thing your body took me to. Once we deal with sort of the emotional and physical components of that, then the other things that you're complaining about will start to dissipate on their own, because this is the origin of all of that.
The magnitude of that, yeah, because we, you know, we do have this physical body, but so we'll often say, Oh, my ankle hurts, or my foot hurts, or something hurts, and we forget that it's like, oh, like, it's not actually me that's in pain. It's my physical body that's in pain, right? I had someone say once I feel like my body is betraying me, and I was I just struck me as like I was offended for his body, like you're driving this vehicle you are supposed to be taking care of this, nurturing it with good food, with getting adequate rest, with not you know if you're stressed, finding ways to reduce the stress, like you are in charge of maintaining this physical body. But if it's challenging, the first thing you do is not blame your body. The first thing you do is say, where can I make adjustments to make you more comfortable body? You know? Because your body is telling you something.
If we're putting on weight, it's because we're eating something that that we shouldn't we're either eating too much, we're eating something that does not agree with our body. That's a protection mechanism. The body is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. How can we be mad at it? It didn't go. Get that food on its own and take it in like, you know, like we're in it's very few things in this world are we in charge of our physical body? Is one we are 100% always in charge of. And if we can't, if, like, worst case scenario, something is happening where we don't have control over physical body, something you know outside of out, some outside force is restricting us or restraining us. We can still go within. We still reside in there and create that environment that we want. And this is how people survive some really horrific, catastrophic even things, and people that don't survive those things doesn't necessarily mean that they're really bad at having a body. It just means that they don't have the skills, or they don't know that they can. They put their power in in someone outside of them. I'll often hear people say, Well, I have this tinnitus, this ringing in my ears, and my doctor says it's not curable, and that those words right there will always charge me, because I personally don't believe there's anything that isn't curable. It's just a matter of bringing in those emotional and physical components and not giving somebody else the power to say, this isn't curable in you. You know, if I tell my kids all the time, if you go to a doctor and they think, and they tell you that they know your body better than you, you get out of there because there's nobody on this planet that knows your body better than you. You just have to learn to speak its language, and that could be tricky.
[Mary] That's why we have you, and I'm still learning our interpreter. It's a lifelong journey. That's okay.
[Laura] Absolutely it is. There's no people will say, you know, go see Laura. She cured me, or she healed me or and I'm not doing that. I'm not healing anybody. I'm giving them the opportunity to have a conversation with their body so that they can heal themselves. Yes, that's the distinction that's important.
[Mary] I know from you, and you also talk about it on your podcast, and sometimes you will have Post Material people also show up and help you to help the person that's in the room, right? Post Material people, I would say, like spirits or guides or family members that have passed away in some sort that kind of come to you for that person. I love for you to touch upon that a little bit too. Can you speak a little bit about that?
[Laura] Once I enter their someone’s auric field, and I come in and put my hands on them, now I'm sharing your auric field with you, and I'm getting information from your physical body and the energy around you, people. If someone comes in, I'll just start sometimes, just start channeling or if there's somebody that's not so much has indicated they're not comfortable with that, I'll just find another way to bring up what their post material person is saying.
It happens in various ways, in varying degrees. Some people, it's very as soon as I put my hands on them I've got a crowd waiting to speak. And other people, it's crickets. And I can kind of see people, you know, the energies lurking outside of this person's auric field. But nobody's really stepping into it with me, and sometimes that's the person on the table is not as open as they thought they were, or there's some fear in there about what they're going to hear. Sometimes it's just not again those layers.
The gentleman that got that got stabbed right like that was a layer that we had to take apart, and then, if we were we would have another session, perhaps, then some energies would feel that they could come in. I never make a guarantee that you're going to be able to communicate with one of your loved ones. But no matter how willing you are, sometimes it's just not what's actually right for you. I don't really have any control over that, nor would I want to.
It comes in so many different ways. Sometimes I can actually visualize them, and then I can describe them to the person on the table, and they'll be like, Oh, I think that's so and so. Or they know right away that it's someone that they know. Other times, the signs and symbols that they are giving me, I then have to interpret, which can be really challenging.
Sometimes it's directly related to their body or their grief. You know, a mother who lost her son, and her son showed up, and I'm like, if you're going to be here, you're going to need to be really specific, because I'm not going to screw around with this woman's feelings. And he did screw with me a little bit, but in a fun way. And so being kind of still new to this, I was kind of like, I asked him. I was going to ask her what her son's name was, but instead I thought, Oh, I'll ask him. And so his response was, Thor. And I was like, Okay, I know your mom didn't name you, Thor. I'm not saying that. This is ridiculous. And I just ignored him, and I just moved on to another area of the body. But he just kept coming in and saying it and saying it, and finally, I couldn't take it anymore, and so I said to her, you know, this is what's happening. And she just, she kind of like, laughed and cried and said, you know, that's exactly my son's humor, that's exactly what he would do, that's exactly what he would say. I had to learn that it's not always my interpretation. It's really not for me. I’m really trying to practice like, whatever comes up that I have no attachment to this.
Memories or ideas are buried so deep under layers and layers of physical scar tissue, emotional cysts and energy cysts that are hanging out in the body, resistance to change that first decade of our life, when our belief systems are formed, we're very attached to those. We're not going to we're not going to be a critical thinker outside of that. I think that we can keep ourselves from progressing because we fear is the biggest one. So I have been held back from progressing with my sort of channeling or mediumship out of fear of being misunderstood or misrepresented or seen as a charlatan, or all these things. And I'm like, oh, and my physical body reacts to that by in all kinds of ways.
And so developing my expertise has meant I've had, I have to let go of the fear of judgment from others, because the only person I'm going to answer to at the end of this, my time with this physical body, is myself, whatever I do or don't do in this life, I'm going to, I've, I've seen it time and time again with the post material, people coming in that they, you know, they're free from their body, and they see and they understand so much more. And now they're like, and now I've got to go back and try this again, because there were some lessons I didn't quite I want to get it right the next time. The post material people are with the person on the table. They're not with me. But once I've made a connection with them, sometimes I can pull them in, even at a distance, which is has been incredible for me.
It’s all about in intention for me, both with the physical work that I do and with the sort of channeling stuff. It’s what is my intention? My intention is to help this person be more in their physical body and more in tune to the messages that their body is receiving. And if this post material person is coming forward to help with that, then you are welcome. You know, if I try to make it about something, you know, I'm not going to tell you whether you're going to win the lottery or what's going to happen in happen in your life. I'm going to give you possibilities about what could happen if a b and c happen.
Conclusion
Our bodies are speaking to us all of the time. Once you become aware of that, it’s important to find out what your body is telling you.
You can listen to Laura’s podcast, Soma Speaks – What’s Yours Saying? here.
If you’d like to connect further about your personal development journey, please feel free to reach out. I'm on LinkedIn and Instagram. I'm also on Voxer at @MaryClavieres.
If you want support with where you are right now, I'd be honored to work with you. You’re invited to check out my Human Design readings so that you can learn more about your own energy and how you operate. This tool is a powerful building block that will allow you to live life with less stress and more peace.
From there, you can also learn about Voxer coaching, which is great for people that are on the go and want real time, customized support and guidance. It’s about meeting you where you are right now and what you're going through. You can message me on Voxer (@ maryclavieres) if you’d like to chat or if you have any questions.
Thank you so much for being here. I so appreciate your time and your presence, spending it here with me, and I'll speak to you next week.
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